Sir Robert Buckland KC and Jonathan Gullis bring their views on how to tackle the migrant crisis to the Red Lion this week.
Robert Buckland calls talk of withdrawing from the European Convention of Human Rights "a red herring" fuelled by the fact the word Europe is "catnip" for some of his Conservative colleagues.
Then Jonathan Gullis talks about his failed Bill to force Rishi Sunak to ignore rulings from Strasbourg over the deportation of asylum seekers to Rwanda, and why he was just trying to give the Prime Minister some "space", honest.
Also on the podcast, Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions Jonathan Ashworth on how Labour would encourage over 50s to get back to work.
Plus a surprise festive ditty from one of our guests to get us into the Christmas spirit.

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