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Neil O'Brien, Minister in the Levelling Up department, joins Christopher Hope to dissect a very important document released in Westminster this week - and no, we don't mean that one. The MP for Harborough, Oadby & Wigston claims you can "level up" in Chelsea and assures Chris that it isn't a "North vs South thing".

Also on the podcast, Shadow Secretary for Levelling Up, Lisa Nandy MP, tells us she'd have been right there "cheering from the rafters" offering Michael Gove her support if the white paper had delivered - but she feels it fell short. Plus unofficial Levelling Up expert, author and journalist Sebastian Payne, on what the paper means for Johnsonism, and the Telegraph's own Tony Diver attempts to sum the entire document up in 3 minutes, including why on earth it included a brief history of civilisation...

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