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Entrepreneur Luke Johnson is Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan's latest guest to blast off to Planet Normal. The man behind Pizza Express and Gail's Bakery tells Allison why the government's only effective lockdown policy has been 'Project Fear', how the High Street will have to get creative to survive, and reveals what other captains of industry are telling him behind closed doors.

Plus, Allison and Liam respectfully disagree over face masks, discuss the government's 'My way or the Huawei' ruling, and enjoy more of your 'elf and safety tales.

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